Volt the Mean

Mar 24 2013, 08:08 AM

Hurry My Curry

Mar 24 2013, 07:02 AM

imjustsaiyanbro

Mar 23 2013, 08:08 PM

So are you saying Eli just carried his team to the Super Bowls? Cuz Eli didn't need his defense to play well and he didn't need his receivers to make those spectacular completions.

1. Brett Favre made too many mistakes so I don't consider him elite. He was borderline elite.

2. golf clap

3. So what? They're better than Eli.

4. So is Ben Roethlisberger elite? And does that mean Rodgers isn't elite cuz he has one ring?

Same thing with elite QB's. Where would Brady be without his receivers? Where would he be without his O-Line. Of course it's a team sport, but at the end of the day, the QB is the one making the plays.

I don't see how superbowls don't determine an elite QB. What's the point of being good in the regular season if you don't step up when it matters?

That is the problem Eli played at Alex Smith level in both of his major games, which in no way is "Elite"

Hurry My Curry

Mar 24 2013, 08:10 AM

Volt the Mean

Mar 24 2013, 08:08 AM

Hurry My Curry

Mar 24 2013, 07:02 AM

imjustsaiyanbro

Mar 23 2013, 08:08 PM

So are you saying Eli just carried his team to the Super Bowls? Cuz Eli didn't need his defense to play well and he didn't need his receivers to make those spectacular completions.

1. Brett Favre made too many mistakes so I don't consider him elite. He was borderline elite.

2. golf clap

3. So what? They're better than Eli.

4. So is Ben Roethlisberger elite? And does that mean Rodgers isn't elite cuz he has one ring?

Same thing with elite QB's. Where would Brady be without his receivers? Where would he be without his O-Line. Of course it's a team sport, but at the end of the day, the QB is the one making the plays.

I don't see how superbowls don't determine an elite QB. What's the point of being good in the regular season if you don't step up when it matters?

That is the problem Eli played at Alex Smith level in both of his major games, which in no way is "Elite"

Eli stepped up enough to win two superbowls. Alex Smith stepped up and lost his starting job. Big difference.

Edit - Anyway this is just gonna keep going back and forth. If you think superbowls are the key to determining an elite QB, Eli's gonna be one. If you think stats and consistency ,then that makes him not elite.

I'll just say this: NFL players play the game to win the superbowl. The ultimate goal is a superbowl. I think Dan Marino would gladly exchange some of his individual achievements for a superbowl. I think Peyton Manning would gladly exchange some of his MVP's for another superbowl. People like Tom Brady and Joe Montana are the greatest QB's in history, because of there legendary drive to win. Tom Brady is one of the best QB's in the NFL. He could have received a bigger contract than what he agreed to, .he did for the sake of winning. He knows that with one more superbowl, him and Montana are comparable for, IMO, becoming the greatest QB in NFL history.

So yeah by stats Peyton Manning and Dan Marino could very well be the best of all time, but it's the drive to win and the actualy achievement of winning that sets Brady and Manning apart IMO.

And Eli Manning may or may not have that drive to win, but when he makes the post-season, everybody better look out. Because he knows how to win games, whether they are ugly or not, he wins games and that's the ultimate goal of a QB.

Hurry My Curry

Mar 24 2013, 07:02 AM

imjustsaiyanbro

Mar 23 2013, 08:08 PM

So are you saying Eli just carried his team to the Super Bowls? Cuz Eli didn't need his defense to play well and he didn't need his receivers to make those spectacular completions.

1. Brett Favre made too many mistakes so I don't consider him elite. He was borderline elite.

2. golf clap

3. So what? They're better than Eli.

4. So is Ben Roethlisberger elite? And does that mean Rodgers isn't elite cuz he has one ring?

Same thing with elite QB's. Where would Brady be without his receivers? Where would he be without his O-Line. Of course it's a team sport, but at the end of the day, the QB is the one making the plays.

I don't see how superbowls don't determine an elite QB. What's the point of being good in the regular season if you don't step up when it matters?

Hurry My Curry

Mar 24 2013, 07:54 PM

But I say it again, what's the point of being dominant if you don't win the game? Peyton Manning is going to go down as one of the greatest QB's of all time, but he is also going to be known as a guy that couldn't win the big games. I'll say it again. I am sure that people like Dan Marino or Peyton Manning would gladly take another superbowl rings if it meant trading some of there MVP's or record breaking stats.

imjustsaiyanbro

Mar 24 2013, 08:10 PM

Hurry My Curry

Mar 24 2013, 07:02 AM

imjustsaiyanbro

Mar 23 2013, 08:08 PM

So are you saying Eli just carried his team to the Super Bowls? Cuz Eli didn't need his defense to play well and he didn't need his receivers to make those spectacular completions.

1. Brett Favre made too many mistakes so I don't consider him elite. He was borderline elite.

2. golf clap

3. So what? They're better than Eli.

4. So is Ben Roethlisberger elite? And does that mean Rodgers isn't elite cuz he has one ring?

Same thing with elite QB's. Where would Brady be without his receivers? Where would he be without his O-Line. Of course it's a team sport, but at the end of the day, the QB is the one making the plays.

I don't see how superbowls don't determine an elite QB. What's the point of being good in the regular season if you don't step up when it matters?

Super Bowls don't matter because it takes a team to win it. If Super Bowls can only be won by a QB Brady would have won it in 2012. But nope, he had a 31st ranked defense and his receivers screwed up.

And btw, any good QB can make his receiving core look good.

Volt the Mean

Mar 24 2013, 08:54 PM

Hurry My Curry

Mar 24 2013, 07:54 PM

But I say it again, what's the point of being dominant if you don't win the game? Peyton Manning is going to go down as one of the greatest QB's of all time, but he is also going to be known as a guy that couldn't win the big games. I'll say it again. I am sure that people like Dan Marino or Peyton Manning would gladly take another superbowl rings if it meant trading some of there MVP's or record breaking stats.

Then by your arguement Trent Dilfer is elite too... LAWL!

*SMH*

Hurry My Curry

Mar 25 2013, 12:56 AM

imjustsaiyanbro

Mar 24 2013, 08:10 PM

Hurry My Curry

Mar 24 2013, 07:02 AM

imjustsaiyanbro

Mar 23 2013, 08:08 PM

So are you saying Eli just carried his team to the Super Bowls? Cuz Eli didn't need his defense to play well and he didn't need his receivers to make those spectacular completions.

1. Brett Favre made too many mistakes so I don't consider him elite. He was borderline elite.

2. golf clap

3. So what? They're better than Eli.

4. So is Ben Roethlisberger elite? And does that mean Rodgers isn't elite cuz he has one ring?

Same thing with elite QB's. Where would Brady be without his receivers? Where would he be without his O-Line. Of course it's a team sport, but at the end of the day, the QB is the one making the plays.

I don't see how superbowls don't determine an elite QB. What's the point of being good in the regular season if you don't step up when it matters?

Super Bowls don't matter because it takes a team to win it. If Super Bowls can only be won by a QB Brady would have won it in 2012. But nope, he had a 31st ranked defense and his receivers screwed up.

And btw, any good QB can make his receiving core look good.

So what does determine an elite QB then?

Oh and the Patriots gave up how many points to the Giants in the superbowl? 21? They scored, how many? 17? When Tom Brady only puts 17 on the board, they deserve to lose. Patriots have NEVER won games on defense. They are an offensive juggernaut.

Volt the Mean

Mar 24 2013, 08:54 PM

Hurry My Curry

Mar 24 2013, 07:54 PM

But I say it again, what's the point of being dominant if you don't win the game? Peyton Manning is going to go down as one of the greatest QB's of all time, but he is also going to be known as a guy that couldn't win the big games. I'll say it again. I am sure that people like Dan Marino or Peyton Manning would gladly take another superbowl rings if it meant trading some of there MVP's or record breaking stats.

Then by your arguement Trent Dilfer is elite too... LAWL!

*SMH*

Does an elite QB get released/not resigned the year after he wins the superbowl?

Come on, you're gonna have to do better than that.

Edit - And where's the resident Giants fan Pookie to back me up bruh? Leaving me out to dry LOL.

DBZ Fan

Mar 25 2013, 02:40 AM

An elite QB to me, is someone who gives their team a chance to win the superbowl every year, and has top 5 stats. Like Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Matt Ryan, I would consider them elite. Eli is just to inconsistent for me to consider him elite, when he's playing good he's probably the best QB in the league, but when he's playing bad he's one of the worst.

Eli is a very very good QB, but he isn't elite imo.

Volt the Mean

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Flacco got resigned to a big contract right after he beat the Niners in the SB, that makes your argument invalid lol. Unless you think Flacco is Elite too

Tbh now that I look at this post season Flacco has been more clutch in this past post season than Eli has been his whole career. The game against the Broncos>>>

Still Flacco has a lot more to go and that he's consistent in the future, He's been iffy in the past a lot like Eli.

Hurry My Curry

Mar 26 2013, 02:32 AM

DBZ Fan

Mar 25 2013, 02:40 AM

An elite QB to me, is someone who gives their team a chance to win the superbowl every year, and has top 5 stats. Like Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Matt Ryan, I would consider them elite. Eli is just to inconsistent for me to consider him elite, when he's playing good he's probably the best QB in the league, but when he's playing bad he's one of the worst.

Eli is a very very good QB, but he isn't elite imo.

I'm sorry, but Matt Ryan has won a whopping total of one play-off game win in his four years in the league, hell it might be 5 years. And even that win came only because of bad clock management from the seahawks. You know who else has one playoff win? Tim Tebow. Drew Brees's team didn't even make the playoffs let alone giving them a chance to win the superbowl.

Meanwhile, Joe Flacco has won a playoff game every single year he has been in the league. No QB has ever done that.

Volt the Mean

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Flacco got resigned to a big contract right after he beat the Niners in the SB, that makes your argument invalid lol. Unless you think Flacco is Elite too

Tbh now that I look at this post season Flacco has been more clutch in this past post season than Eli has been his whole career. The game against the Broncos>>>

Still Flacco has a lot more to go and that he's consistent in the future, He's been iffy in the past a lot like Eli.

How does that make my argument invalid? Your argument was that superbowls don't define an elite QB, because of Trent Dilfer. I countered that by saying that elite QB's don't get released/not resigned. Joe Flacco got resigned, how does that contradict my argument?

Hurry My Curry

Mar 26 2013, 02:43 AM

But you're not telling me why Joe Flacco isn't elite. Just saying that he isn't elite doesn't mean anything. I have proof to my claims. The Ravens defense was mediocre at best the whole season and that carried over to the playoffs. Joe Flacco carried them with his offensive repertoire. He won the MVP. He's helped the Ravens win a playoff game every year in his career.

Alex Smith is not elite, you are correct, but notice what the 49ers did to the man once they saw what Kaepernick could do. An elite QB is not dispensable like that. Correct me if I am wrong, but Tom Brady was sitting on the bench his first couple of season behind the Patriots starting QB. The starting QB was a solid player apparently and it was only due to an injury that Brady got a chance (what a coincidence LOL) and when Brady showed what he could do, the former starter got benched. That does not happen to elite QB's. They are not dispensable like that.

Volt the Mean

Mar 26 2013, 02:54 AM

Hurry My Curry

Mar 26 2013, 02:43 AM

But you're not telling me why Joe Flacco isn't elite. Just saying that he isn't elite doesn't mean anything. I have proof to my claims. The Ravens defense was mediocre at best the whole season and that carried over to the playoffs. Joe Flacco carried them with his offensive repertoire. He won the MVP. He's helped the Ravens win a playoff game every year in his career.

Alex Smith is not elite, you are correct, but notice what the 49ers did to the man once they saw what Kaepernick could do. An elite QB is not dispensable like that. Correct me if I am wrong, but Tom Brady was sitting on the bench his first couple of season behind the Patriots starting QB. The starting QB was a solid player apparently and it was only due to an injury that Brady got a chance (what a coincidence LOL) and when Brady showed what he could do, the former starter got benched. That does not happen to elite QB's. They are not dispensable like that.

I didn't say Flacco wasn't elite I said he was "barely elite" for doing what you said, being constantly good every year he's been in the nfl, unlike Eli. Flacco finally won a SB by being crazy clutch all through out the playoffs need I remind you the Broncos game, he out gunned Peyton! And in the SB he was just beasting.

Now I just want to see him dominate the NFL at a Peyton level. He's shown he can in bursts here in there.

As for Alex Smith, Jim was probably just waiting to get a chance to throw Kaep in there even though the niners resigned Alex for the rest of that year and the next. By your logic if Alex wasn't elite the niners would've just let him go the year his contract ended.

Btw it was Kaeps 2nd year half way through the season Jim Harbuagh knew what he had in Kaep. Thats why in every game pryor Kaep was gettin steady playing time alongside Alex, it wasn't like "OMG WHO KNEW KAEP WAS GOOOD!"